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Someone recently described my taste in men as "weird and/or gross types", and I admit that my recent confession to thinking about Dr. Phil lends support to that argument, but let me also clarify, that my impure thoughts of Oprah's Tuesday guest are not a constant -- it's more that last night he was looking good to me for some strange reason.

Also, I think I'm just more vocal about my interest in weird or "gross" guys because most people don't acknowledge sexual interest in them. But I do have my interest in more "standard" male beauty, too. Guys I wouldn't mind in my bed include some usual suspects: Edward Norton, John Corbett, DMX, Luke Wilson, Method Man, Ewan MacGregor, Jet Li, Robert Downey Jr., Johnny Depp, etc. etc.

But maybe I just think it's boring to talk about the folks that half the world wants to fck. I'd rather talk about the eroticism of folks who most people (general population) don't want to think about as sexual. That was probably the inital allure with my fascination with Martha Stewart -- five years ago, no one could picture her as anything but some strange new england whitebread overachieving craftmaker, where I was all about bending her over in the garden. I almost get resentful when someone "ugly sexy" (a phrase I don't ever actually use because I hate that word) or alterna-sexy breaks through into mainstream audience as suddenly 'sexy' -- sure I'm happy that Tony Soprano made James Gandolfini into a sex symbol, but some folks had mad love for big guys already.

I feel like I'm launching into some tirade but I'm not sure how I got on the topic. I guess I was thinking that my eye for men comes from such a weird place, since I'm statistically more attracted to different types of women, and my idea of masculine sexyness comes from a strange combination of fag lust and older women sensibilities. Seriously. Because you know some of those housewives sit at home imagining Dr. Phil is there husband when the lights are out.

authority.

Date: 2002-07-31 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clockwatcher.livejournal.com
I think Dr. Phil would HAVE to be good in bed because his reputation as a relationships and sexuality counselor depends on it. Even if he's not good day-to-day, one night stands with Dr. Phil would be amazing.

And I am totally into the Martha Stewart idea.

Re: authority.

Date: 2002-07-31 10:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raybear.livejournal.com
jessie, it warms my heart that you have my back on this one. ii never said dr. phil was "sexy", per se, just that he'd probably be an excellent lay!

i wonder if Martha gets a lot of action because of her celebrity status. i need to hang out in the Hamptons more. or maybe just read the Enquirer cover stories.

Re: authority.

Date: 2002-07-31 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clockwatcher.livejournal.com
I can read between your lines any time, Ray!

As for Martha, when I worked at that other organization i worked at, rumor (i.e. truth) was she had a life partner she lived with (female). So ya know, whatever them old dykes do in bed. :)

Jessie

Date: 2002-07-31 10:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stuey.livejournal.com
How do you feel about Tom Petty and/or Steve Buscemi?

Curious. Because L finds both dead sexy.

Date: 2002-07-31 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raybear.livejournal.com
i have no opinion on Tom Petty as a sex partner, which means he doesn't repel or attract, and i think Steve is sorta hot.

Date: 2002-07-31 10:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrider.livejournal.com
I think this rocks, raybear. It's interesting to think about how people easily (and loudly and publicly!) define certain others as "wierd" or "gross," and in such a quick/dismissive way. I don't think Dr. Phil would do it for me, but I think I understand how he (or a his particular form of masculinity) could be eroticized/eroticizable.

Date: 2002-07-31 10:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raybear.livejournal.com
I used to be scared of admitting my unusual attractions to people, but once I started to get some validation, there was no turning back! Even if I do get occasionally ridiculed for my choics (even in a joking matter), it's all worth it when one person says "oh my god, me too! i just didn't want to admit it!"

plus, i think it's really biased to like pretty people. who defines them as pretty anyway? i'm certainly not high on the list of society's standards for a multitude of reasons, but i think i'm still a pretty tasty treat. ;-P

Date: 2002-07-31 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danielray.livejournal.com
i tend to find that i have very specific physical tastes that make me go, 'ooh, i want to jump that person's bones,' but some of those tastes are off-mainstream enough that i feel okay about it. and it's not like i only end up being attracted to or sleeping with people who fit into those particular types, anyway.

Date: 2002-07-31 11:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raybear.livejournal.com
I don't have too many types -- it's more that there are probably several individuals within each type or category that make me hot, but not necesarily all of them.

i feel very proud and slutty to say there's someone in every age or size or physical appearance group that i would actively enjoy sleeping with! sometimes it's frustrating and fun if i can't even articulate the differences.

Date: 2002-07-31 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wearemany.livejournal.com
we have to stop meeting like this.

all by way of saying, look, my friends lists are overlapping again.

also i find james gandolfini sexy beyond measure.

Date: 2002-07-31 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharkysmachine.livejournal.com
dr phil is hawt.
james gandolfini is hawt.
steven harris is hawt.
ving rhames is hawt.
cedric the entertainer is hawt.
my ex patrick is hawt.

i love big men.

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