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[raybear]

I'm weirdly wildly curious about Hillary Clinton's speech tonight at the convention. I might be setting myself up for a punch in the gut. Like going out for a drink with an ex when you think enough time has passed, but they turn out to be still really bitter and a little crazy about the breakup.

I say that as someone who has been on both sides of this scenario.

ETA: I raced home on my bike and walked in the door and immediately turned on the tv and there she was, in an orange suit (my favorite color!) introducing herself. And you know what? She did pretty fcking alright.

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[raybear.livejournal.com]

McCain has put out an ad featuring a supposed former Hillary supported now saying she's voting for him. He wouldn't make that ad if he didn't think it would effect at least certain people. It might not exactly be a 'debacle', but I don't think its accurate or fair to dismiss her or her influence and stature.

[fightingwords.livejournal.com]

I think the press has made more out of the sour-grapes crowd than necessary, but I also don't really trust her. I feel like a lot of her post-primary support for Obama has been tepid at best, and her husband hasn't been able to summon anything not polar. I don't think she'll totally try to sink him tonight, but I expect plenty of "VOTE FOR BARACK" followed by winking and nudging.

[raybear.livejournal.com]

Maybe she will compromise and just spend the whole time bashing McCain and republicans. But I doubt it. Like you, I don't trust her. But I want her to be trustworthy, I want her to step up to the plate and prove everyone wrong and be awesome and inspirational and gracious and healing. Why?? I don't know. She's never been a powerful public speaker, her strength is number crunching and policy wonkery. But she's my ex from 1992 and I'm a sucker.

[sebastian6.livejournal.com]

I certainly don't mean to dismiss her in any way. But I think the media (and McCain following suit) has made a mountain out of a mole hill. I'm not calling Hillary a mole hill, I'm calling the "rivalry" a mole hill.

[unscrambled.livejournal.com]

I don't think it's a mole hill. I think the celebration of the anniversary of white women's suffrage last night was poignant in light of the whole thing. Of course there were plenty of reasons that people supported Clinton, but the blatant racist appeals were and are significant.

[sebastian6.livejournal.com]

So you think the media was accurate in its portrayal of how big a deal the Clinton/Barack rivalry is in continuing to affect Barack's campaign? Okay. I guess I just disagree.

[sebastian6.livejournal.com]

I will agree with you on that last statement. I get the feeling we're talking about two slightly different things but am too rushed/tired to get granular about it. Suffice to say- Good on ya!

[unscrambled.livejournal.com]

I think the media co-created it, but having heard it from my grandmother's mouth, as well as random averagely racist people in Ohio, I can say that it's for real. I don't think it's just the media coverage that did it. I think the racism vs. sexism fallacy (and white men's eventual support of white women as opposed to any poc) is not a media creation.

[raybear.livejournal.com]

It doesn't have to be so black/white -- its not a mountain or a mole hill. Its a real thing, along with hundreds of other real things.

I also think you are right, the media is inflating it greatly -- last night I was so annoyed by the NPR interviewers who asked every single person what "Hillary has to do to convince and unite the party" and every single person answered confusedly, "the party is united, we're behind Obama for president". But Hillary's speech last night wasn't really for the people at the convention, it was for the people at home, and it was for the media to maybe finally shut the fck up about it. So in that case, it did feel important.

[sebastian6.livejournal.com]

Here, here!